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		<title>&quot;New&quot; Launches August-September 2009</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Sep 2009 13:15:22 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Sushil</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>I have been really bothered by the &#8220;new&#8221; launches that have been all over the news for the past month. Are these really &#8220;new&#8221; vehicles &#8211; maybe its just me &#8211; but I think when the words &#8220;all&#8221; and &#8220;new&#8221; are used together in the same sentence to define a vehicle launch I expect the vehicle [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have been really bothered by the &#8220;new&#8221; launches that have been all over the news for the past month. Are these really &#8220;new&#8221; vehicles &#8211; maybe its just me &#8211; but I think when the words &#8220;all&#8221; and &#8220;new&#8221; are used together in the same sentence to define a vehicle launch I expect the vehicle to look very different from the previous one and to also feature a whole lot of changes to everything in it from engines to interiors to exterior shape and design.  A lot of manufacturers very shamelessly call changes to headlamps, tail lamps, introduction of new color schemes for the interior as a &#8220;new&#8221; vehicle. Most of these can be done by aftermarket accessories shops &#8211; we didn’t need the manufacturers for it.</p>
<p>Since I have been out of action for a while I am taking the liberty to consolidate my thoughts on the most recent launches of the past month or so here.</p>
<p><strong>Toyota Fortuner (Aug 24, 2009)</strong><br />
<a href="http://cars.zimbly.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/Fortuner2.JPG"><img class="size-medium wp-image-797 alignright" title="Fortuner" src="http://cars.zimbly.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/Fortuner-225x135-custom.JPG" alt="Fortuner" width="225" height="135" /></a><em>This is really a new launch for India</em>. Wheelosphere.org has details about the launch <a href="http://www.wheelosphere.org/toyota-fortuner-launched-in-india-with-18-45lacs-price-tag/" target="_blank">here</a>. It took a long time to get to India. The only downer is that the interiors are too similar to the Innova. Quality is good and the vehicle is capable and comfortable &#8211; but Toyota did not plan for the demand and has closed bookings for the next 7 months &#8211; or is it just a ploy to get dealers/brokers to make some quick money through &#8220;premiums&#8221; being charged to get this popular vehicle soon. (Has Toyota been keeping a ear open to how Maruti and its dealers handle the Swift/Dzire Diesel&#8217;s popularity). (Toyota in the recent past called the refresh of the Innova the launch of an &#8220;All New&#8221; Innova &#8211; with just head&amp; tail lamp changes, a new grille &amp; climate control).</p>
<p><strong>Maruti Suzuki Estilo (Aug 25th, 2009)</strong><br />
<a href="http://cars.zimbly.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/estilo2.JPG"><img class="size-full wp-image-798 alignleft" title="estilo" src="http://cars.zimbly.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/estilo-228x138-custom.JPG" alt="estilo" width="228" height="138" /></a><em>New engine and significantly face-lifted exteriors &#8211; very close to being a new car</em>. The wheel arches look a bit funny IMHO &#8211; well actually the whole front has been a sore point even from the previous iteration. The headlamps look better than the original ones and the bonnet and grille have been re-worked to be more rounded than the older version and more like a tall hatchback than the previous version. The interior has some minor changes. The heart of the car has changed &#8211; this is a significant change in my book and will classify this as a new vehicle. Most significant change was the fact that the &#8220;Zen&#8221; name has been laid to rest instead of being slaughtered on this ugly duckling &#8211; which has tried to change its looks slightly for the better I should say.</p>
<p><strong>Hyundai Santro (Sept 1, 2009):</strong><br />
<em><a href="http://cars.zimbly.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/santro2.JPG"><img class="size-full wp-image-799 alignright" title="santro" src="http://cars.zimbly.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/santro-253x152-custom.JPG" alt="santro" width="253" height="152" /></a>Facelift only</em>. This <strong>cannot</strong>be called a new car. Beige interiors, grille &amp; wheel cap changes do not make it a new Santro. This should have been decently called a refreshed Santro which is the only way Hyundai can try to move out existing stock till the actual new Santro is brought out.  <a href="http://www.motorbeam.com">www.motorbeam.com</a>had a poll on this and as of this time 57% of respondents say no. 27% say &#8220;Who cares&#8221; while a surprising 14% has said it is a new car. People who answered &#8220;Yes&#8221; &#8211; folks you really are being conned by Hyundai and you do not know it. Motorbeam has a detailed post on what is &#8220;new&#8221; <a href="http://www.motorbeam.com/cars/hyundai-santro/hyundai-quietly-introduces-new-santro/" target="_blank">here</a> . I am finding it difficult to figure out the &#8220;new&#8221; grille &#8211; which looks exactly like the old/older/oldest Xing ones &#8211; is this a case of only the intelligent seeing the new grille ? In that case I must be the stupidest person around !</p>
<p><strong>Honda Civic (Sept 8, 2009)</strong><br />
<em>Facelift only</em>. Minor changes to the tail lamps, smoking of head lamp, changing the bumpers and alloys doesn’t fool me <img src='http://cars.zimbly.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> . They also have no creativity &#8211; they introduce a new trim always called a &#8220;V&#8221; trim and the main feature is guess what &#8211; Fog Lamps and a USB capable music system ? Cruise control is added new &#8211; a feature I feel should have been there from day one &#8211; for the price charged.</p>
<p><strong>Ford Endeavour (Sept 9, 2009)</strong><br />
<a href="http://cars.zimbly.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/FordEndeavour2.jpg"><img class="size-full wp-image-800 alignleft" title="FordEndeavour" src="http://cars.zimbly.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/FordEndeavour-235x139-custom.jpg" alt="FordEndeavour" width="235" height="139" /></a>This one is a bit difficult and I will call this a <em>significant facelift</em>and not really a new vehicle. The front has undergone fairly significant changes all the way till the &#8220;A&#8221; pillar. But aft of that there is not much of a change my untrained eyes can detect. The engines on offer are still the same but the 4&#215;4 now comes in Auto-trans only. The Sat-nav system is a cool feature to have. Toyota for sure will be bringing this one and an automatic in soon on the Fortuner to keep up. Our Indian customers are crazy and just run out and throw money at anything branded Toyota and Honda &#8211; so Ford has to give away extra to get and keep customers.</p>
<p><strong>Soon to be inflicted on us: </strong><br />
<strong>Honda City (Sept 15, 2009) </strong><br />
Again a <em>facelift only </em>since this vehicle has been around for just around a year or even less. The &#8220;V&#8221; series makes its presence felt but details are scarce at this point other than new alloys (wow &#8211; Honda finally relented and are giving poor Indians alloys and fog lamps ! Thank you Honda &#8211; we are so touched !) BS Motoring has a writeup <a href="http://www.bsmotoring.com/news/honda-city-facelift-launchseptember-15/1203/1" target="_blank">here</a> .</p>
<p><strong>Nissan Teana &amp; X-Trail (Sept 16, 2009)</strong><br />
<em>Significant facelifts </em>of these low selling vehicles are to happen says <a href="http://www.motorbeam.com/cars/nissan-teana/nissan-to-launch-new-teana-x-trail-on-wednesday/" target="_blank">Motorbeam.com</a>.  These do not excite me since they are really niche vehicles which are neither VFM, neither sporty and no where worthy of their prices and they need to be built in in India rather than be imported for their sales to pick up. I am more interested in the vehicles Renault-Nissan has in the works that are focussed at the mass market rather than these <img src='http://cars.zimbly.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> .</p>
<p><em><strong>What are your thoughts on the &#8220;all new&#8221; vehicles being brought out these days ? Please do make your voice heard.</strong></em></p>
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		<title>Hyundai I10 Automatic &#8211; Short Test Drive</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 18:43:42 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Sushil</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>One of my colleagues at work mentioned a problem he was having. He had one car (Wagon-R) and was trying to teach his wife how to drive. For days he and his wife would venture out early in the morning for his wife to attempt getting familiar with the car, the gears, the roads, pedestrians, two [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of my colleagues at work mentioned a problem he was having. He had one car (Wagon-R) and was trying to teach his wife how to drive. For days he and his wife would venture out early in the morning for his wife to attempt getting familiar with the car, the gears, the roads, pedestrians, two wheelers and also slopes of flyovers and railway underpasses. To top it all they stay in a place called Choolaimedu which has one long really really crowded narrow lane permanently full of all types and modes of transport.  Very little progress was happening from the aspect of the wife learning driving.</p>
<p>Finally they test drove a semi-automatic with the contraption called an &#8220;auto clutch&#8221; which gets fitted to a regular manual car. I remembered some ownership reports of the same and pointed them to it and they decided not to attempt getting it. They ventured back to the driving sessions but without much interest. Somewhere along the way when I was asked about the auto clutch I had told my colleague about the Hyundai I10 automatic which now replaces the original cheapest Hatchback from Hyundai &#8211; the Santro. He and his wife test drove the I10 and felt their needs would be met by it and decided to buy it. They got it for 4.85 lakhs on road with some corporate discounts and some offer. I got to see the car one evening last week. <img src='http://cars.zimbly.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> .</p>
<p style="text-align: center;"><strong><a href="http://cars.zimbly.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/electric_red.jpg"><img class="aligncenter size-medium wp-image-722" title="electric_red" src="http://cars.zimbly.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/electric_red-300x176.jpg" alt="electric_red" width="298" height="240" /></a></strong></p>
<p><strong>Outside:</strong>The exteriors look like any other I10 &#8211; just a small badge at the left rear stating &#8216;Auto&#8217; shows something different. The car color was Electric Red. The pull type door handles worked well and the door was light easy to open. Felt very similar to a Santro. I don&#8217;t care too much for the front of the car but can live with the looks of the car from the sides and the rear. The rear roof spoiler accessory makes the car look much better. So will wider tires, nice alloys and dark tints.</p>
<p><strong>Inside:</strong>  The interior was beige mostly except for a dark brown section on the dashboard which seemed to have no reason to be there and looked very weird.Front fog lamps not present and neither were the rear wash wipe and demister. I sat in the passenger seat initially while my colleague got the car out of the parking lot and onto the road. The engine sound was almost nil inside the cabin and the transmission didn&#8217;t have any weird jerks while shifting. He didn&#8217;t have any trouble maneuvering the car from the basement through streams of people walking around. We finally got to an empty stretch of road and I was offered a chance to TD, I had initially refused but didn&#8217;t want to pass this opportunity so I got into the driver seat.</p>
<p>The seating position was good and very &#8220;Santroish&#8221; with good visibility all around including from both outside mirrors which were just the right size and in the right place. The gear knob had a silver finish piece on top and felt just the right size to hold and also had the button to lock the gear in place when not pressed.</p>
<p><a href="http://cars.zimbly.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/auto_trans.jpg"><img class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-723" title="auto_trans" src="http://cars.zimbly.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/auto_trans.jpg" alt="auto_trans" width="345" height="390" /></a></p>
<p><strong>Drive:</strong> I pressed the brake down, started the engine and moved from Park into &#8216;D&#8217; for Drive. When I lifted my leg off the brake the car gently started moving without any jerks. To pick up pace one has to gently push the accelerator and the car does respond. Of course not with the urgency of a manual but decent enough.</p>
<p>I didn&#8217;t want to push this new car much but before I knew it it was touching 60 KMPH ! No harshness from the engine nor any significant increase in sound. I could feel the automatic transmission shift up through the gears &#8211; but only since I was keenly expecting it and listening for it.  Making a &#8216;U&#8217; turn at a break in the median was really nice, just stop wait and when a good sized gap appears in oncoming traffic just ease into it by pressing the accelerator. No attention required to shift gears up and both hands are free to manage the turning of the wheel.</p>
<p>The stretch of road I drove the car on was mostly well paved so didn&#8217;t hit any potholes with the car. The only rough stretches that were there we covered with great care since this was an brand new car without even its number plates. It had decent enough clearance for normal bumps and speed breakers without any issue.</p>
<p>Slowing down also was easy enough just press down on the brakes accordingly and the transmission moves down accordingly. I didn&#8217;t get to test panic braking but wish this car came with ABS as it would be good to have.</p>
<p>No tachometer on the version I drove (Magna trim) was the only negative I could think of&#8230; But again it is not really required for an automatic where the transmission will shift up a gear before things get too hot.</p>
<p>Overall I think it is a good car.It felt much better to drive than the last automatic I had driven ( a Santro automatic). I have driven an automatic Honda Civic  for a couple of years &#8211; this one comes nowhere near that car &#8211; but for India and the space and traffic that exists here &#8211; it is definitely sized right. The pricing as always  I wish it could have been cheaper as it makes a lot of sense to get an automatic in crowded cities.</p>
<p><strong>Ownership Experience:</strong>Since I took my time writing this up I got to hear of the ownership experience one week past purchase. The views of the two drivers of the car echo the differing expectations men and women have of the vehicles they own and drive.</p>
<p><span style="text-decoration: underline;">The husband</span>who was very enthusiastic about the ease of driving the car still says its very easy to drive in peak traffic but has now started cribbing that it doesn&#8217;t give the rush and response as his car a manual transmission Wagon-R. He is back to driving his manual shift car.</p>
<p><span style="text-decoration: underline;">The wife </span>on the other hand is overjoyed at getting a car of her own that she can drive almost everywhere due to its compact size, good visibility and most of all she can concentrate on the road and on avoiding the many million maniacs driving alongside without any worry whatsoever about stalling the engine on starting or needing to worry about shifting up and shifting down and clutch modulation etc. Within a day of purchase she was happily driving through the railway subway near Loyola college coming from Nungambakkam towards Choolaimedu which has a pretty nasty upward slope ending at a stop light which 99% of the time will always be red forcing the motorists to wait on the upward slope.</p>
<p>Agony usually happens in new drivers who have to start off from a stop on a slope and usual mistakes while starting are rolling too far backwards and hitting the vehicles behind, cars in front rolling back and hitting your car or the most common one of stalling the engine and not being able to start back again. Honks from motorists behind the new driver will add to the stress. This crazy slope is now handled by this new driver with the automatic geared car where she only has to press the accelerator just enough to move up. Husband still has to sit with his eyes closed beside her but that&#8217;s better than having to watch the road, her and keep reminding her to shift up since the 1st gear alone cannot be used <img src='http://cars.zimbly.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> .</p>
<p>The wife who loves this car so much hasn&#8217;t driven manual transmission cars enough to appreciate the fine level of control &#8211; for such a driver the automatic makes a lot of sense and can be the best thing for them to drive. For drivers very experienced with squeezing out the most of mileage and power from their vehicles an automatic may not be very engaging to drive.</p>
<p><strong>PS:</strong> One item I do not have but will update later is the actual fuel efficiency of the car. Hope to get it from the owners after they drive it for a bit.</p>
<p><strong>Photos: </strong>From the Hyundai India I10 Website &#8211; since I didn&#8217;t have my proper camera with me and the ones with the phone camera suck <img src='http://cars.zimbly.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':-(' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p><strong>External Link:</strong>An old post on Cybersteering that has a round up of automatics available back then and with tips on how to drive with an automatic: <a href="http://www.cybersteering.com/cruise/feature/karma/auto.html">http://www.cybersteering.com/cruise/feature/karma/auto.html</a></p>
<p>Auto Clutch review : <a href="http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/accessory-part-reviews/47407-autoclutch-review.html?highlight=hyundai+I10+automatic">http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/accessory-part-reviews/47407-autoclutch-review.html?highlight=hyundai+I10+automatic</a></p>
<p>Other I10 Auto Reviews: <a href="http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/test-drives-initial-ownership-reports/50519-another-automatic-house-i10-automatic.html">http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/test-drives-initial-ownership-reports/50519-another-automatic-house-i10-automatic.html</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/test-drives-initial-ownership-reports/56981-my-new-hyundai-i10-automatic.html">http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/test-drives-initial-ownership-reports/56981-my-new-hyundai-i10-automatic.html</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/test-drives-initial-ownership-reports/57765-yet-another-hyundai-i10-automatic-w-pics.html">http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/test-drives-initial-ownership-reports/57765-yet-another-hyundai-i10-automatic-w-pics.html</a></p>
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		<title>Diesel Hatchbacks Comparison Chart Updated with Hyundai I20 CRDI</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 16:22:32 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Sushil</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>The diesel hatchback comparison chart is now updated to include the Hyundai I20 CRDI Diesel. The comparison is for the highest end trims for all models. Why ? Because only then can we compare features to features. the lower end trims are basically diesel engine and chassis.</p>
<p>The list now contains the following:</p>

Ford Fusion Plus TDCi
Skoda Fabia [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The diesel hatchback comparison chart is now updated to include the Hyundai I20 CRDI Diesel. The comparison is for the highest end trims for all models. Why ? Because only then can we compare features to features. the lower end trims are basically diesel engine and chassis.</p>
<p>The list now contains the following:</p>
<ul>
<li>Ford Fusion Plus TDCi</li>
<li>Skoda Fabia 1.4 TDI Elegance</li>
<li>Getz Prime 1.5 CRDI GVS</li>
<li>Suzuki Swift VDI ABS</li>
<li>Suzuki Ritz VDI ABS</li>
<li>Grande Punto Emotion Pack Multijet</li>
<li>Hyundai I20 Asta (O) CRDI</li>
<li>Palio Stile 1.3 SDX</li>
<li>Indica Vista Aura Quadrajet</li>
<li>Indica Vista Aqua TDI</li>
<li>Tata Indica V2 DLS BS III</li>
</ul>
<p>The specifications are now color coded to indicate the largest dimension/best value/cheapest cost(green) and lowest dimension/value /highest cost(red). Hope this sheet is easier to read now.</p>
<p><em>The costliest is still the Skoda Fabia and the cheapest still remains the Indica V2.  </em></p>
<p><em>The I20 is the second costliest in this comparison but also comes with a long list of features even longer than the Fabia. </em></p>
<p><em>Middle of the list with medium features and middle of road price is the Swift and the Ritz.</em></p>
<p>Here is the list : <a href="http://cars.zimbly.com/downloads/diesel-hatchbacks-comparison-chart/" target="_blank">Diesel Hatchbacks Comparison Chart</a>. Here was my original post on the diesel hatchbacks with more analysis on the data: <a href="http://cars.zimbly.com/2009/06/are-you-looking-for-a-diesel-hatchback/" target="_blank">Are you looking for a Diesel Hatchback ?</a></p>
<p><strong><span style="text-decoration: underline;">Thanks: </span></strong>A lot of feedback, errata identification and great suggestions from <strong>Jacob</strong>, <strong>Manoj </strong>and <strong>Vasu</strong> were used to update the older sheet  - Thank you for reading through in detail and giving valuable feedback and pointing out the many errors !</p>
<p>Some items still pending such as mileage data for the latest updated cars and the performance figures for acceleration and braking. This will be done in the next update.</p>
<p><strong>The I20 &amp; I: </strong>I tried checking with the Hyundai dealership I bought my Getz from but they still do not have a registered Diesel or Automatic available for TD. They have promised to get me a TD as soon as their vehicles get registered.</p>
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		<title>Long Term Hyundai Getz GLS Review (4 yrs)</title>
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<p>We recently completed the 4 year anniversary  of getting the Hyundai Getz GLS as of March 25th.  It has covered around 20 thousand kilometers till now. The mileage has been low since it is my father that drives it during the week and I drive it during the weekends.  Took me some [...]]]></description>
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<p>We recently completed the 4 year anniversary  of getting the Hyundai Getz GLS as of March 25th.  It has covered around 20 thousand kilometers till now. The mileage has been low since it is my father that drives it during the week and I drive it during the weekends.  Took me some time to write up this review &#8211; it is a long long one so I apologize in advance. Plus I can say you have been warned.</p>
<p><strong>Why &amp; how we chose the car: </strong>In 2005 we were looking for a replacement to the 9 year old Maruti 800 and we wanted a  bigger car.  At that point we had the Ford Ikon as well so we didnt need another sedan. The 800 was used for all errands and trips to places with bad parking while the Ikon was used only when going out to places with good parking and to Church etc. The primary driver was to be my Father so the primary requirement was something easy to drive and easy to park.<br />
<br />Features available was also a criteria. Having been spoilt with the Ikon I wanted power windows, central &amp; remote locking. With the Ikon&#8217;s rear glass fogging up frequently I was adamant about wanting  the rear wash/wipe and defogger.  We started the process late February 2005. The decision was made for a hatchback and the budget initially set at around 4.3 L. A quick look around showed the choices with the features we wanted as the Santro and the Wagon-R. I was not planning on even trying the Indica, the Corsa Sail or the Palio which were also available at the time for various reasons.</p>
<p><strong>Wagon-R blues: </strong>We went to Maruti and wanted to see the Wagon-R.  The dealership we first visited didn&#8217;t have a demo car at their dealership when we went in so had to wait for them to bring one to us.  One silver one was brought home and I test drove it and found to my horror that its speedometer was disconnected. Decided then and there that I am not buying from that dealership at all. </p>
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<strong>Santro Greens,Reds and Whites: <span style="font-weight: normal;"> Same day a Hyundai sales guy from HMP shows up with a Santro. I took a test drive and liked it (its engine response was better than the Wagon-R). Also its odometer was working and the car had a huge &#8220;Demo Car&#8221; sticker on the side. I was sold on the interior of the Santro XLS but liked the exterior of the Wagon-R. I was very confused.<br />
<br />T-BHP wasnt helping me in my decision since people came up with a million points in favour and against both the Santro and Wagon-R. I kept pushing the salesguy for a good deal on the Santro but wasnt convinced the car was right for us. The main sticking point was that the colors available in 2005 were the most boring list of colors ever possible. <br />
<br />We had a Silver Ikon and were moving away from a dark blue 800. We didnt want Scarlet Sage or Real Earth or a weird bright parrot green or light hospital type green that they had. Black was ruled out as well. White was the only remaiing option but I didnt want white. I annoyed the salesman as much as I could with my confusion and my requirements and multiple calls.<br />
<br />The middle of March was rapidly approaching. The 800 had been sold by then and we needed the car soon. On a Saturday afternoon we go in to the showroom to finalize on the Santro &#8211; I dont remember which color we decided upon &#8211;  still half heartedly.</span></strong></p>
<p><strong>The Getz Gets Me: </strong>The salesguy by then realized I was a car nut and wouldn&#8217;t be really happy with the Santro.  He knew I drove the Ikon 1.6 daily to work and back and everything else seemed pathetic compared to it. He finally got frustrated and told me that I should either buy an Accent or test drive the Getz. He said he would get me a great deal.  <br />
<br />I would have to stretch my budget a bit but he begged me to take a test drive and assured me it would be worth it.  With zero expectations I agreed to the test drive. The moment I took the test drive I noticed that the car was much smoother than the Santro to drive. Clutch was lighter and gearbox was buttery smooth and slotted in well. Seating position was also good. I was having leg pain from driving the Ikon through traffic but I was pleasantly surprised at the ease with which the Getz could be moved around in peak traffic.<br />
<br />Seating position was good and space was more than enough for myself and my dad to sit at the back.I was sold on the 60-40 split rear seat and the luggage space. It seemed to be the only vehicle in its price with the split folding rear seats. Also the rear seat angle could be adjusted &#8211; something not found on any other car. Dashboard and instrument panel was also much better than the Santro.<br />
<br />The seats, door panelling and miscellaneous interiors were much much better made and looked ages ahead of the Santro. Car also had a clutch lock and a foot rest to the left of the clutch.  We took a day to decide (spent the evening reading Getz reviews on the net) and sealed the deal the very next day&#8230;after taking almost 2-3 weeks between the Wagon-r and the Santro.The sales  guy was so relieved he even came into the dealership on a Sunday a holiday for them to take my booking.  Registration done withing a few days since the car was on the lot. </p>
<p><strong>Delivery Day &amp; first Drives:</strong> The car was ready at the time we were promised. We declined a full Pooja but allowed the staff to put on a ribbon. The paperwork was also ready and in order so all the process part of it was fine.  I wasn&#8217;t aware of the PDI checklist on T-BHP back then but I had a mental note ready of things to check. These were covered to my satisfaction. Only thing awry was that the left side rear door seemed to have a problem of not closing fully. The salesguy managed to get a mechanic to look at it and within a minute it was fixed.<br />
<br />We got a detailed demo of the features and we drove home from Ekkatuthangal in peak traffic on Mount Road around 7.30 PM.  This was the first time we felt the AC cool so effectively. Only issue was the front windscreen started fogging up on the outside. I ended up reducing the AC , opening the windows and using the wipers.  One annoyance for me was that I was used to the Ikon and its indicator stalk being on the left &#8211; the Getz like every other India made car had it on the right. It was a pain to remember and use the right one.<br />
<br />There was some issue with the VIN impression that was required with the registration papers and this delayed obtaining the registration and number plates. Car sat at home till this was fixed.  It was great to finally get the plates and drive it around. We took a trip to church and said our prayers before going anywhere else. </p>
<p><strong>Accessories Added:</strong></p>
<ul>
<li>PU Seat covers in light grey and black from Hyundai</li>
<li>Pioneer Music system &amp; Boston Acoustics speakers</li>
<li>Alloy wheels</li>
<li>Sun control film</li>
<li>Remote Keyless entry and security system from Cobra</li>
<li>Front &amp; Reverse parking sensors (6 sensor Xenos) with distance indicator in RVM (added in 2007).</li>
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<p><strong>Ownership/Driving Experience:</strong></p>
<ul>
<li><span style="text-decoration: underline;">Smooth </span>to drive and generally good in the city. The light clutch is a pleasure to use and the gears slot in nicely. However by the 3rd year the smooth feeling is beginning to loose the original feel. Its beginning to be a bit rough.</li>
<li><span style="text-decoration: underline;">Engine</span> sounds strained when driven hard. Relaxed cruiser on good highways. Enough high end grunt but low end is a bit disappointing &#8211; say if you need to take off from a signal etc. It may just be my opinion since the car I drove prior to this was a Ikon 1.6 and my other car currently is a Swift. My Father who was very jittery to drive the 1.6 Ikon was very happy driving the Getz &#8211; he doesn&#8217;t drive very fast and is a very careful relaxed driver &#8211; this seemed to be the best car for him. Not too big not too small. Not too powerful not too underpowered. Easy to drive in the city.</li>
<li><span style="text-decoration: underline;">OEM tires</span> (175/70 R13) were retained and just OEM alloys added. The tyres are not very grippy and I have felt them loose touch with the road under hard acceleration &#8211; again at a light. Once its moving it seems ok. My FIL has a Getz GVC which comes with the skinny 155/80/R13 tires which are just not adequate for this car. They make the car look very odd and are not safe at all for a car of this size. The contact with the ground is not enough. There is a marked difference when driving the 1.3 GVS with skinny tires and the 1.3 GLS with slightly wider tires.</li>
<li><span style="text-decoration: underline;">Brakes</span> &#8211; never had to have any sudden stops in this car so for normal driving the brakes are adequate. Extended Warranty &#8211; I was pretty happy I paid the extra amount for the warranty extension for 2 more years from the manufacturer 2 years. It saved me a ton of money on the power steering parts &amp; labour since it was covered close to 25K was told.</li>
<li><span style="text-decoration: underline;">Space</span> is very appreciated by all at home. We have a family of 5 adults and one infant of 1 year. All of us fit in the car and have adequate space to sit comfortably. Of course we usually sit with the two gents and the baby in front with one of the gents driving and the baby with the front passenger. The three ladies sit at the back.</li>
<li><span style="text-decoration: underline;">Luggage space</span> is very amazing for a hatchback. I have folded the rear seats down when I have needed to carry a lot of luggage when we moved house and the Getz was able to swallow a huge amount of luggage in the rear. The Ikon was able to carry just a quarter of it (not just the boot &#8211; we had even the interior of the Ikon loaded up).Another time when we had to drop my sister off to her hostel for the first time the Getz was used to take 3 adults and all the stuff required for one person to stay in a hostel for a full year &#8211; thanks to the split rear seat one person could sit at the back and we could still load up with luggage.</li>
<li><span style="text-decoration: underline;">The double folding rear seats</span> of the Getz prove they are worth every penny since they also let you adjust the tilt of the seats. Rear passengers are comfortable as well as the front. <em></em></li>
<li>I have a very loyal dedicated person come home to clean the cars <span style="text-decoration: underline;">interior and exterior </span>almost every day (Sundays he is off). Because of his efforts the exterior is  still looking good barring a few minor scratches from our dog and some bikers and cabbies. The interiors have also aged very well and the plastic parts still look like new after 4 years. The dash and plastic treatment done by Hyundai at every service seems to keep it in good shape.</li>
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<p><strong> A.S.S @ Dealership:</strong></p>
<ul>
<li>Hyundai Motor Plaza is good at their work but there is a long time required to book a service and get it done</li>
<li>Their customer handling process is a bit time consuming requiring you to wait up-to 45 minutes before you can drop off your car.</li>
<li>They work only during the week and Saturday bookings very minimal.</li>
<li>They do a pickup and drop service &#8211; but this is more effort than a regular one since you are not sure if the work will be done correctly</li>
<li>Pricing is very fair and no extra charges done &#8211; estimates are usually very close to the mark. <em>Unfortunately I haven&#8217;t kept track of the costs of the regular service. Dont remember them to be more than 2,500 each. </em></li>
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<p><strong>Issues:</strong></p>
<ul>
<li>Interior roof dome light has failed 2 times.</li>
<li>Multiple issues of rats/house lizards getting stuck in/under the car engine bay and dying there (and of course the god awful smell of decay)- in a spot that requires the car to be sent to the dealership to be cleaned up. One mongoose got in from underneath but ran away when the bonnet was opened.</li>
<li>AC cooling which was very good suddenly started decreasing and suddenly stopped. We had to get it to the dealership for fixing. Covered under warranty. AC is now back to its old good self. Cant keep it at more than the 2nd position/</li>
<li>Power Steering packed up at around 15000 KM and 3.5 years. <em>One morning I was was planning to go out and started out just a few feet from where the car was parked at home, the car kept going straight when I turned the wheel to the right. The steering wheel was very tight and the tires were not turning. Managed to back the car into its spot. Hyundai managed to come home fix the issue temporarily then take it to the dealership for full repairs.</em></li>
<li>After the power steering was fixed the steering wheel started squeaking. Some greasing was done at the last service but squeaks returned immediately.</li>
<li>When the power steering was fixed they managed to screw up the indicator switch &#8211; now it doesn&#8217;t auto cancel the turn indication. Need to get this fixed.</li>
<li>Radio Antenna has come loose (still needs to be fixed &#8211; currently managing with some strategically placed cello-tape).</li>
<li>Wheels keep having a screeching noise &#8211; dust seems to get in the brake pads and after cleaning stops for sometime to resume again. This is there off and on right from the first year of ownership.</li>
<li>A/C vents spewing packing foam which seems to have come loose and is disintegrating.</li>
<li>Driver side door central locking mechanism broke and the car couldn&#8217;t be locked either with the key or the remote.</li>
<li>The Cobra remote for the key less entry seems to have a major design flaw &#8211; it uses a rubber piece to connect the remote fob to the metal ring. That piece is prone to getting cut. We have probably changed the rubber piece at least once every year. Its very annoying to have it get cut and have to walk around with the keys separately and the remote separately.</li>
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<p><strong>First the list of what I don&#8217;t like in the car:</strong></p>
<ul>
<li>Lots of space in the engine bay that allows small animals to get in from underneath and sit happily. Wish it was tightly packed as my previous/other cars.</li>
<li>I still have not been able to get the outside mirrors to a position that I am happy with &#8211; I keep having the feeling they are not pointing where they should be and visibility isn&#8217;t all that great. I wish they were a little larger like the older Santro mirrors &#8211; it may be ugly but still functional.</li>
<li>The dashboard reflections in the front windscreen are annoying.The dealership applies some dashboard shine liquid which causes a bad glare in full sunlight on the front windshield. Material of the dash shouldn&#8217;t be made so reflective.</li>
<li>The power windows disable switch is very confusing &#8211; cant tell if it is enabled or not.</li>
<li>Gearing &#8211; seems underpowered at lower gears but is a good highway cruiser.</li>
<li>Mileage doesn&#8217;t seem to give more than 10km pl. Ever. Regardless of how you drive.</li>
<li>Interior lamp is a tad dim &#8211; also positioned at an odd spot that is behind the drivers head &#8211; reaching it is a bit difficult.</li>
<li>Steering wheel seems a bit plain &#8211; it has some grips at the 10 and 2 position but these could have been a bit thicker and also the wheel could have been smaller.</li>
<li>Clock is built into the instrument panel &#8211; doesn&#8217;t keep time correctly and keeps running slow.</li>
<li>Glove Box is almost uselessly small. Can just fit the stereo head unit cover there and the vehicle papers. </li>
<li>Door storage could have been more.</li>
<li>Tilt steering is there but not really useful</li>
<li>Central locking doesn&#8217;t have a separate switch to lock all doors &#8211; one has to use the driver side door switch to do that manually.</li>
<li>Unlocking the hatch involves unlocking all the doors as there is no separate hatch release.</li>
<li>A pillars are a bit thick and till you get used to the car they are a bit unnerving to see bikers disappear and re-appear suddenly.</li>
</ul>
<p><strong>What I like:</strong></p>
<ul>
<li>Comfortable seating for 5 people with adequate luggage room.</li>
<li>Butter soft gear shift and light clutch</li>
<li>High &amp; comfortable seating position &#8211; I haven&#8217;t had leg pain while driving this car.</li>
<li>Good and easy to read instrument panel both during the daytime and at night</li>
<li>The rubber strips all round the car is pure genius from Hyundai and I like the version on my 2005 car and not the hideous larger version on the Getz Prime. These are just the right size and look good as well.</li>
<li>The dashboard shape is flat and has a good space with a ridge to place items in the middle. The left most side doesn&#8217;t have anything to keep items from rolling/sliding off.</li>
<li>Centrally placed DC plug</li>
<li>Centrally placed bottle holder that can take even a 2 liter bottle comfortably. Also has 2 other cup holders.</li>
<li>Headlamps are very good. I didn&#8217;t feel the need to upgrade the bulbs or use high beam even on roads without lighting.</li>
<li>Usage of space over the rear tires with small storage locations is very good.</li>
<li>Luggage space is very good for a hatchback.</li>
<li>60-40 split seats is really useful if you need to carry a lot of luggage and 3-4 passengers.</li>
<li>Windscreen wipers are pretty decent in heavy rain. The car has made its way through flood water without any issue.</li>
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<p>  <strong>When/will I change this car ?</strong> I don&#8217;t have a reason to change this car yet. The reasons to keep it are more as of now. If I change it will be atleast 2-3 years from now if not more.  </p>
<p><strong>Wishlist for a new Getz:</strong> @Hyundai: Please provide all the features of the Getz GLS with ABS and Airbags, tilt steering and height adjustable seats with the brilliant  CRDI engine you make and you can be sure this car will sell wellfor a long time. Please don&#8217;t make the mistake of not giving all the features with the Getz CRDI with the I20 Diesel when you finally wake up and decide to launch it . You wait too late and I and the rest of India may just go buy a Swift DDiS or D&#8217;zire DDiS or Indica Vista Quadrajet or Fiat Palio Multijet when its time to change this car.    </p>
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<p>I came across an <a title="Money Today" href="http://www.moneytoday.intoday.in/index.php?option=com_content&amp;Itemid=1&amp;task=view&amp;id=5305&amp;sectionid=132&amp;issueid=65&amp;latn=2" target="_blank">article </a> in Money Today that talked about the running costs of the Tata Nano compared to the Maruti 800, the Santro and the Swift.  It was a very interesting read especially since I was wanting to put up a running cost calculator of my own on this website. I felt a better comparison would be of the Tata Nano with the Maruti Suzuki 800, the Maruti Suzuki Alto, the Maruti Suzuki Omni, the base Hyundai Santro and the Tata Indica Xeta GL. These are the 5 cheapest vehicles currently available. I feel there is no point comparing it with the Swift. The only true comparison is with the M800. The others are much costlier.</p>
<p>I have used Chennai prices as my reference. Insurance values come from <a href="http://www.carwale.com/Insurance/insurancepremium.aspx" target="_blank">Carwale.com</a>. For registration and life tax have used a standard 8%. I have used a different way to calculate costs and have added some parameters as well. Of course most of the parameters may need to be tweaked for actual use but hope this gives an idea.</p>
<p><strong>Please click on the below image to view the comparison chart.</strong></p>
<p><a href="http://cars.zimbly.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/graphrunning1.jpg"></a><strong><a href="http://cars.zimbly.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/runningcostscompared1.jpg"><img class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-139" title="runningcostscompared1" src="http://cars.zimbly.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/runningcostscompared1.jpg" alt="runningcostscompared1" width="733" height="694" /></a></strong></p>
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<p>For 3 years the Nano has the lowest running cost with the 800 close behind. The Alto and the Omni are very similarly priced while the Santro and Xeta are also similarly positioned.</p>
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